Agenda and minutes

Licensing and Safety Panel
Thursday, 26th April, 2018 7.00 pm

Venue: Town Hall, Knowsley Street, Bury

Contact: Nicole Tilly, Democratic Services 

No. Item



Members of the Licensing and Safety Panel are asked to consider whether they have an interest in any of the matters on the agenda, and if so, to formally declare that interest.  


There were no declarations of interest raised in relation to any items on the agenda.




To approve and sign as a correct record the minutes of the last meeting held on 20 March 2018.  A copy of the minutes is attached.


Delegated decision:


                   That the Minutes of the Licensing and Safety Panel meeting held on 20 March 2018, be approved as a correct record and signed by the Chair.




Questions are invited from members of the public present at the meeting on any matters for which this Panel is responsible.


Approximately 30 minutes will be set aside for Public Question Time if required.


A number of local residents attended the meeting in respect of item 7 on the Agenda, Licensing of a campsite and the Chair explained        they would have an opportunity to raise issues and ask questions when the relevant item was addressed.


Mr Charles Oakes, of the Hackney Drivers’ Association Ltd, submitted a written question to the Licensing and Safety Panel requesting a second MOT testing station, in addition to the station used at Bradley Fold.


The Licensing Unit Manager explained that following meetings with the Greater Manchester Authorities, a more co-ordinated approach to taxi and private hire vehicle licensing would be adopted throughout, to develop a common minimum standard which could include issues with testing stations.  Mr Oakes had been informed that a generic report would be adopted by all the Greater Manchester Authorities by April 2019.  Currently there were no issues in relation to drivers being able to get an appointment for an MOT test and it was agreed that for consistency and fairness to all drivers, there would be no change to the MOT testing station presently being used at Bradley Fold.


It was agreed:


That the question and proposed response be noted. 





A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) is attached.


The Assistant Director (Localities) submitted a report advising Members on operational issues within the Licensing Service.


                   The report set out updates in respect of the following issues:


In relation to Licensing Hearings Panels, the Licensing Unit Manager reported the following:


·           The Licensing Service had received notification that a Personal Licence holder had received a relevant offence under schedule 4 of the Licensing Act 2003.  A Licensing Hearings Panel was convened on 18 April 2018 and after hearing all the evidence, the Panel considered it reasonable, balanced, appropriate and proportionate to suspend the Personal Licence for a period of four months.


·           The Licensing Service received an application in respect of Best one, Chesham Fold Road, Bury and Greater Manchester Police, in their capacity as a responsible authority, made representations.  A Licensing Hearings Panel was convened on 18 April 2018, however, it was requested by the Applicant’s Solicitor that the meeting be adjourned from this date and the meeting was subsequently rearranged for 26 April 2018.  Following that meeting and on the evidence provided, the Licensing Hearings Panel agreed to grant the transfer.


·           The Licensing Unit Manager provided written statistics of work dealt with by the Licensing Service during the municipal year 2017/18, which included a breakdown of the number of licences, registrations, consents and permits processed, totalling 3,625.


     It was agreed:


                   That the report be noted.




A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) is attached.


A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) was submitted in respect of applications considered under section 269 of the Public Health Act 1936.  Officers of Environmental Health attended the meeting to respond to queries and issues from the members of the Licensing and safety Panel and explained that Bury Council has not previously received an application for a campsite, therefore the Council are required to determine any applications that are received. The Local Authorities (Functions and Responsibilities) (England) Regulations 2000 as amended, indicate that this is a Council function and under the Council’s constitution is delegated to the Licensing and Safety Panel.  A licence is required if the site is operating for more than 42 consecutive days or more than 60 days on any 12 consecutive months.


It was agreed:


That members adopt the proposed standard conditions in respect of a campsite under the Public Health Act and Caravan sites and Control of development Act 1960, Public Health Act 1936.





A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) is attached.

Additional documents:


A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) was submitted in respect of an application for the approval of a campsite licence     under section 269 of the Public Health Act 1936, in respect of the Paddock, Sheep Hey Farm, Shuttleworth, Bury, by Mrs Carol Rothwell. 


Officers explained that their focus is ensuring the safety and wellbeing of those using the site and the amenities provided. An initial site visit was undertaken by Officers of the Council’s Housing Standards Department and the Fire Service on 7 November 2017.  A satisfactory Fire Risk Assessment for the campsite was obtained by the Fire Service and further advice was given by Officers to Mrs Rothwell on the requirements in terms of conditions to meet the campsite licence.


                     Planning permission was granted for a campsite following an application from Mrs Rothwell on 26 May 2016.  Permission was granted for 20 pitches (tents only, no caravans or motor homes are permitted) and the siting of 2 portaloos and showers and a second site visit was undertaken on 12 April 2018 by Housing Standards and the Fire Service.


                     Mrs Rothwell attended the Licensing and Safety meeting along with a number of local residents, who opposed the licence, who had also submitted an email to the Licensing and Safety Panel members prior to the meeting with their objections.  The Chair granted permission for a spokesperson to voice their concerns at the meeting. These concerns included enforcing the conditions of the planning application, sufficient levels of insurance of the site, the provision of passing places along the narrow single track lane leading to the campsite and properties, which must only be via Leaches Road and the position of the portaloos and showers, which were in close proximity to the residents’ houses.


                     Members of the Licensing and Safety Panel asked various questions of Mrs Rothwell in respect of the application and raised issues in relation to the objections submitted by the local residents.


                     The Council Solicitor explained that under the provisions of the Public Health Act, if an application for a campsite licence is submitted and the local authority do not grant it with conditions attached, it is deemed granted unconditional after 4 weeks. There is no consideration of whether the applicant is fit and proper, but rather whether the site is suitable taking into account such things as the provision of water, sanitation, no risk of fire and other such issues. The conditions proposed are to deal with those matters.


It was agreed:


                     To grant a licence with conditions attached with the report in relation to The Paddock, Sheep Hey Farm, Shuttleworth, for 20 pitches.   




Any other business, which by reason of special circumstances, the Chair agrees may be considered as a matter of urgency.


There was no urgent business raised under this item.




To consider passing the appropriate resolution under section 100 (A)(4) of the Local Government Act 1972 that the press and public be excluded from the meeting during consideration of the following item of business since it involves the likely disclosure of the exempt information stated.




Delegated decision:


That in accordance with Section 100(A)(4) of the Local Government Act 1972, the press and public be excluded from the meeting during consideration of the following items of business since it involved the likely disclosure of information relating to individuals who hold Licences granted by the Authority or Applicants for Licences provided by the Authority.




A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) is attached.


Licence holder 36/2017 attended the meeting and was accompanied by his son.


       The Chair outlined the procedure to be followed and the Licensing Unit   Manager presented a report submitted by the Assistant Director (Localities), which was accepted by the Licence Holder. This explained that a warning letter was sent on 25 July 2017 to the Licence Holder for presenting a vehicle for test with a large number of faults.  Since receiving this letter, the Licence Holder has presented a further four vehicles for test and only one of which passed first time.  The officer state that the Licence Holder buys and sells vehicles and transfers the licence to other licensed drivers.


        The Licence Holder’s son addressed the Panel and explained that his father has been a licence holder for 15 years and is committed to his job.  He is a father of 6 children who he must support financially.  He stated that he maintains a certain standard with his vehicles, however, when he has taken the vehicles to a local MOT garage for testing, the vehicles have passed but when then taken it to Bradley Fold, numerous faults are found.  The Licence Holder has to pay for a re-test each time and yet feels he has maintained the vehicle to the standard required. He also confirmed being a self-taught mechanic albeit it has used a number of local garages to have the vehicles tested.


        Various questions and concerns were raised with the Licence Holder from the Licensing and Safety Panel members and the Chair explained to the Licence Holder that an MOT test for a licensed vehicle being used by the public would be more stringent and to a higher standard than that of a personal vehicle. It was also noted by the Panel that the Licence Holder had been warned not to use Bradley Fold to check his vehicles and that he must take them for testing having prepared them.


        Delegated decision:


                The Panel carefully considered the report and oral representations by the Licence Holder 36/2017 and his son and taking into account the Council’s Conviction Policy and Guidelines and in accordance with the Local Government (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1976, resolved, unanimously, to revoke the driver’s licence.


The Panel found as follows;

·         That public safety is paramount and that the Licence Holder had shown little regard as to the wellbeing of passengers by allowing his vehicles to fail numerous MOT tests on such serious faults. 

·         The Licence Holder had been driving for 15 years and should be more aware of the importance of the maintenance of a vehicle being used to carry the travelling public.

·         The Licence Holder had been warned as to his conduct and the requirements in relation to maintaining his vehicles but had paid no regard to this.

·         The Licence Holder had submitted 5 vehicles for testing over a 13 month period, all of which had failed their first test, 2 had failed twice and one vehicle had failed twice the first time and then when  ...  view the full minutes text for item LSP.506



A report by the Assistant Director (Localities) is attached.


The Licensing Unit Manager presented a report submitted by the Assistant Director (Localities) regarding applications for Private Hire Vehicle Drivers’ Licences. 


    The Applicants were invited to attend the meeting for separate hearings

and invited to address the Panel separately on their applications and any matters referred to in the Officer’s report. 


1.    Applicant 37/2017 attended the meeting and was accompanied by a friend.  The Chair outlined the procedure to be followed and the Licensing Unit Manager read the report, which was accepted by the Applicant.


The report explained that the Applicant had previously held both

hackney carriage driver’s and hackney carriage vehicle licences, granted by Bury Council.  On 5 September 2012 the Applicant had appeared before the Licensing and Safety Panel in relation to an allegation of rape on a female passenger which resulted in his hackney carriage driver’s licence being revoked.   The Applicant appealed the decision to Bury Magistrates’ Court, which was dismissed. Subsequently the Applicant has made new applications for a hackney carriage driver’s licence on 6 October 2014 and again on 11 April 2016 both were considered by the Licensing and Safety Panel and both applications were refused.


The Applicant addressed the Panel and explained that he deeply regretted the incident and that it was a mistake.  The Applicant’s friend stated that he realises that having sex in his vehicle was wrong but that it was consensual and he had dropped the female passenger off outside her home afterwards and even been paid for the fare.  The incident had completely tarnished his character.  The whole family and community were aware of the episode and it had been a very difficult time for them all.  It will have repercussions on his future and he is struggling to get another job.


The Applicant’s friend explained that the Applicant had a wife and 4 children to support and needed the opportunity now to be able to do so.  He explained that he was of good character and worked regularly for a charity and cared every day for his Uncle, who suffered from muscular dystrophy and was now effectively paralysed from the neck down.  The incident had taken place in September 2012 and the Applicant had been punished and now needed a chance to redeem himself.


                        Delegated Decision:


The Panel carefully considered the written report and the oral representations made by the Applicant and his friend and with due consideration of the potential effect on the Applicant’s livelihood and family life, and taking into account the Council’s Conviction Guidelines, the Panel found that:


·         Although not convicted, the Panel was satisfied that the allegations were sufficiently serious to merit due consideration.

·         Greater Manchester Police believe that despite the Applicant not being charged with any offences, as the female had declined to pursue the matter due to the impact the investigation was having on her health, it is directly relevant to a working role with members of the public.

·         The Crown Prosecution Service considered that the evidential burden to prosecute the charge had  ...  view the full minutes text for item LSP.507